Overall Impressions

All in all I think that this debate was less interesting than the Presidential debate. Also the performances as far as debating skill were fairly even. Cheney looked angry early and he did roll his eyes a few times, but he seemed to correct that fairly early in the debate. Edwards made a few minor flubs, and I felt he made one remark which appeared to be simply trying to call attention to the fact that Cheney's daughter was gay, for the sake of controversy alone. I found that distasteful.

That aside, Cheney's debating style was as about as sleazy as one could be. Constantly waiting until Edwards had no chance to rebut before slipping in a falsehood or derrogatory remark. For the most part Edwards didn't let him get away with it, but later in the debate he began ignoring some of the VP's charges, which was appropriate. He couldn't spend the whole evening on the defensive. Edwards was very eloquent and had some strong remarks here and there.

I can't imagine this debate swaying voters either way, and thus I am of the opinion that this debate was relatively unimportant.


Running Commentary

Chuck 8:58:05 PM ok
Chuck 8:58:11 PM I'm on CSPAN2
Chuck 8:58:14 PM no audio yet
James 8:58:18 PM Oh, I see. They're just getting in place.
James 8:58:23 PM Weird. OK.
Chuck 8:58:59 PM Oh there IS audio... just dead silence.
James 8:59:22 PM Maggie says "Cheney's almost life-like."
Chuck 8:59:26 PM Dick looks like he is going to bite off someone's head.
James 9:00:25 PM I wonder how much of this week's news will figure in.
Chuck 9:00:37 PM I think it is mostly going to be about Iraq.
Chuck 9:00:53 PM I'm sure Edwards will mention Bremer's complaint today.
James 9:00:56 PM Yes, probably.
James 9:01:03 PM I should think so.
James 9:02:20 PM Cheney does actually look more human than usual. Edwards looks relaxed.
Chuck 9:02:52 PM split screen... that allowed this time?
James 9:03:11 PM I don't think the candidates have any say in the coverage, just the debate format.

Q: ...Paul Bremer, the former head of the Coalition Provisional Authority, gave a speech in which he said that we have never had enough troops on the ground, or we've never had enough troops on the ground....

James 9:03:32 PM Right in with the Bremer question.
Chuck 9:03:36 PM Yep

NOTE: Cheney's response NEVER addresses the question of troop commitments, though he does attempt to relate Iraq to terrorism which was a second part of the question.

James 9:05:13 PM Cheney has been asked specifically about Bremer, and he's going to avoid the question by speaking in generalities. He wants to paint the big picture so he can tell his whole story. Will he ever get to the question, though?
Chuck 9:05:19 PM No

CHENEY: ...The biggest threat we faced today is the possibility of terrorists smuggling a nuclear weapon or a biological agent into one of our own cities and threatening the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans...

Chuck 9:05:30 PM Here comes the fear factor
James 9:05:42 PM I wonder if his aim is going to be to get people to change the channel.
James 9:05:59 PM Put the fear up front, get his comment in, and then bore people into changing the channel.

EDWARDS: ...Mr. Vice President, you are still not being straight with the American people. I mean, the reality you and George Bush continue to tell people, first, that things are going well in Iraq -- the American people don't need us to explain this to them, they see it on their television every single day...

Chuck 9:06:32 PM John Edwards ... right in there with ... YOU ARE NOT BEING STRAIGHT W/AMERICAN PEOPLE... he's not pulling punches.
James 9:06:42 PM No, he's come out swinging.
James 9:07:04 PM He's refocusing on the Bremer question.
Chuck 9:07:27 PM Cheney appears to be struggling to contain his anger.
James 9:07:58 PM I think you're right. He does seem angry!
Chuck 9:08:16 PM If he get's mad, he blows this debate.
Chuck 9:08:20 PM And Edwards knows it
Chuck 9:08:26 PM That's why he is pushing his buttons
James 9:08:38 PM Edwards is smart to focus on Cheney's refusal to leave the Iraq/al Quaeda connection behind.

Q: ...IFILL: Time for a new question but the same topic. And this time to you, Senator Edwards. You and Senator Kerry have said that the war in Iraq is the wrong war at the wrong time...

James 9:09:00 PM Now Edwards has to handle Kerry's criticism of the war.
James 9:09:15 PM Another chance to clarify their position and harp on the missing weapons.
James 9:09:25 PM So far the questions are favoring Edwards
James 9:09:57 PM Perhaps the facts have an anti-Bush agenda.
Chuck 9:10:03 PM We'll see

EDWARDS: ...Our point in this is not complicated: We were attacked by Al Qaida and Osama bin Laden. We went into Afghanistan and very quickly the administration made a decision to divert attention from that and instead began to plan for the invasion of Iraq.

And these connections -- I want the American people to hear this very clearly. Listen carefully to what the vice president is saying. Because there is no connection between Saddam Hussein and the attacks of September 11th -- period.

The 9/11 Commission has said that's true. Colin Powell has said it's true. But the vice president keeps suggesting that there is. There is not. And, in fact, any connection with Al Qaida is tenuous at best...

James 9:10:37 PM Edwards: "Listen carefully to the veep: there is no connection."

CHENEY: ...The senator has got his facts wrong. I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11, but there's clearly an established Iraqi track record with terror.

And the point is that that's the place where you're most likely to see the terrorists come together with weapons of mass destruction, the deadly technologies that Saddam Hussein had developed and used over the years...

Chuck 9:10:57 PM ooooh
Chuck 9:11:08 PM Cheney's got a new spin on the Iraq war.
Chuck 9:11:13 PM Yet ANOTHER new spin.

CHENEY: ...We heard Senator Kerry say the other night that there ought to be some kind of global test before U.S. troops are deployed preemptively to protect the United States...

James 9:11:32 PM Aha, the global test. Edwards has to be ready for this distortion.
Chuck 9:11:37 PM Yeah
Chuck 9:11:48 PM Edwards doesn't look shaken.

Q: ...You will respond to that topic, but first I want to ask you for two minutes, Vice President Cheney.

Tonight we mentioned Afghanistan. We believe that Osama bin Laden is hiding perhaps in a cave somewhere along the Afghan-Pakistan border...

James 9:12:17 PM Edwards is going to ask for more time to respond. He's not going to get it now.
Chuck 9:12:23 PM yeah
James 9:14:12 PM Mike sends this link: Cheney link of Iraq, 9/11 challenged - http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/09/16/cheney_link_of_iraq_911_challenged/
James 9:14:37 PM Meanwhile, Cheney has been given the opportunity to blather on about Afghanistan.

EDWARDS: ...Someone did get it wrong. But it wasn't John Kerry and John Edwards. They got it wrong. When we had Osama bin Laden cornered, they left the job to the Afghan warlords. They then diverted their attention from the very people who attacked us, who were at the center of the war on terror, and so Osama bin Laden is still at large. Now, I want to go back to something the vice president said just a minute ago, because these distortions are continuing...

James 9:15:19 PM Edward brings back the point, we turned our attention away from Afghanistan. He's using the remaining time to go back to Cheney's distortion on Iraq/9-11
James 9:16:46 PM As Josh Marshall said, this isn't about Edwards and Cheney. They're sticking to Bush v. Kerry.
James 9:17:38 PM Back to the Global Test with this question.

Q: ...New question to you, Senator Edwards, but I don't want to let go of the global test question...

James 9:17:50 PM "What is a global test" Edwards is asked.

EDWARDS: ...Because the reality is, for America to lead, for America to do what it's done for 50 years before this president and vice president came into office, it is critical that we be credible...

Chuck 9:19:23 PM Edwards brings it to American credibility. Thank you!
James 9:19:27 PM Edwards repeats Kerry's assertion that no one will be given a veto of the American people. He is stressing the credibility issue, but it isn't really working. He needs to make it more clear that the global test isn't an actual test.
James 9:19:37 PM I agree, he's on the right track.
James 9:19:43 PM But can he drive it home?
James 9:21:01 PM Cheney will never address credibility. It's not part of his equation. He's in "computer mode" in the gentle art of verbal self defense. I swear he's trying to bore the audience intentionally.

CHENEY: ...You're not credible on Iraq because of the enormous inconsistencies that John Kerry and you have cited time after time after time during the course of the campaign. Whatever the political pressures of the moment requires, that's where you're at. But you've not been consistent, and there's no indication at all that John Kerry has the conviction to successfully carry through on the war on terror...

Chuck 9:21:18 PM Back to the flip/flop bullshit.
Chuck 9:21:24 PM I'm so sick of this nonsense.
James 9:21:52 PM Mike drew my attention to the sly insult "you probably weren't there to vote for that."
Chuck 9:21:58 PM Inoticed that
James 9:22:36 PM Oh, snap. Cheney is just sayign "you're plain wrong, and your facts suck.:
James 9:22:59 PM The mud is flying.

CHENEY: ...In 1984, when he ran for the Senate he opposed, or called for the elimination of a great many major weapons systems that were crucial to winning the Cold War and are important today to our overall forces....

Chuck 9:23:23 PM OOOO!
Chuck 9:23:38 PM Cheney recommended against those weapon systems too!
James 9:23:42 PM Cheney is launching into an extended attack on John Kerry's judgment. Starting with that silly vote BS
James 9:23:46 PM Yeah
Chuck 9:23:53 PM That's just sleazy!
James 9:24:34 PM Cheney is extremely smooth. This is a rattle royal, but the knives are all hidden.
Chuck 9:25:02 PM I hope Edwards isn't constantly on the defensive like this

EDWARDS: ...This vice president, when he was secretary of defense, cut over 80 weapons systems, including the very ones he's criticizing John Kerry for voting against. These are weapons systems, a big chunk of which, the vice president himself suggested we get rid of after the Cold War...

Chuck 9:25:22 PM BODY BLOW!!
James 9:25:31 PM Edwards is smart to try to drag it all into the open. Sneaky attacks are going to work in Cheney's favor. But you're right, Cheney has put him on the defensive.
Chuck 9:26:10 PM Edwards calls Cheney on his duplicity with regard to wep systems.
James 9:26:13 PM He has to defend Kerry quickly and get back in there and hit Bush hard. Now he drage Halliburton's no bid contracts in.
Chuck 9:26:25 PM Cheney's not going to answer the charge
James 9:26:29 PM No
Chuck 9:26:32 PM He's repeating himself
Chuck 9:26:44 PM Hi I'm Dick Cheney, and I'm a commercial. Again.
James 9:27:32 PM It seems like these questions are whizzing by. Lots of numbers and details.
James 9:27:45 PM Both of these opponents are able to sling details.
James 9:29:12 PM So far there is a lot of mud and I don't see a clear leader. Cheney has successfully kept Edwards catching up. The average voter is not
James 9:29:20 PM going to follow most of this.
James 9:29:41 PM Edwards is having to split his answers to answer Cheney's charges
James 9:30:04 PM Cheney starts every answer with a slur against Edward's accuracy
James 9:30:10 PM An insult with every answer.
James 9:31:13 PM Cheney accuses Kerry of not having an Iraq plan and just moves right on. He's doing this rapid-fire to keep Edwards busy.
James 9:31:54 PM Good, Edwards is just going to pick one silly assertion (like the size of the coalition) and pick on that. 90% of the cost is Americans.

CHENEY: ...Classic example. He won't count the sacrifice and the contribution of Iraqi allies. It's their country. They're in the fight. They're increasingly the ones out there putting their necks on the line to take back their country from the terrorists and the old regime elements that are still left. They're doing a superb job. And for you to demean their sacrifices strikes me as...

James 9:32:47 PM Cheney is claiming that Edwards is demeaning Iraqi's and coalition's sacrifices. All he's going to do is put words into Edwards' mouth. Over and over again.
Chuck 9:33:03 PM Yes. A lot of "this is what he said".

EDWARDS: ...This, unfortunately -- what the vice president is telling people is inconsistent with everything they see every single day. It's a continuation of, Well, there's a strong connection between Al Qaida and Saddam Hussein. It's not true. It's a continuation of at least insinuating that there's some connection between 9/11 and Saddam Hussein. It's not true.

It's saying to the American people, as the president said last Thursday, and the vice president continues to say tonight, that things are going well in Iraq, contrary to what people who have been there have seen, including Republican leaders, contrary to what everyone in America sees on their television every day -- Americans being kidnapped, people being beheaded, parts of the country under the control of insurgents, even today, under the control of the insurgents...

James 9:34:02 PM Right. Instead of answering he's just going to restate Edwards questions. A nasty tactic. How will Edwards counter that? Currently he's taking a good approach. Are you goingto believe the vice president or your own eyes?
James 9:35:10 PM Again, Edwards is having to play catch up. Edwards is going to have to let some of these charges slide and attack.

CHENEY: ...But let's look at what we know about Mr. Zarqawi. We know he was running a terrorist camp, training terrorists in Afghanistan prior to 9/11. We know that when we went into Afghanistan that he then migrated to Baghdad. He set up shop in Baghdad, where he oversaw the poisons facility up at Kermal (ph), where the terrorists were developing ricin and other deadly substances to use...

James 9:36:23 PM Al Zarquawi (sp?) did not have a training camp in Saddam-controlled Iraq.
Chuck 9:36:43 PM Yeah he was in Kurdish controlled Iraq.
James 9:37:26 PM But Cheney slides right by that and conflates the terrorist with Saddam again. Cheney is throwing these things in at the end of his responses, when they are about to be given another question. Edwards will have no chance to respond.
Chuck 9:38:23 PM Cheney looks very ... hunched

CHENEY: ...One of the great by-products, for example, of what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan is that five days after we captured Saddam Hussein, Moammar Gadhafi in Libya came forward and announced that he was going to surrender all of his nuclear materials to the United States, which he has done...

Chuck 9:38:45 PM Here comes Libya again.
James 9:38:46 PM Mike says he's happy with Edwards' ability to respond within his time to Cheney's last attack. I think Edwards is doing as well as he can against Cheney's distortions.
James 9:39:31 PM Edwards brings up Iran.
James 9:39:44 PM The moderator questions are almost superfluous here now.
James 9:40:11 PM Edwards has switched back to Halliburton.

EDWARDS: ...They did business with Libya and Iran, two sworn enemies of the United States.

They're now under investigation for having bribed foreign officials during that period of time...

James 9:40:35 PM Halliburton is linked to Iran and bribing officials in Iran.
James 9:40:58 PM Cheney is just saying the charges are false.
James 9:41:06 PM Brings up factcheck.org
James 9:41:25 PM (Slashdotted)

NOTE: A cursory check of the site mentioned contains some challenges raised by third party ads, all of which seem to be with respect to favoritism in Halliburton winning it's bid. None of the articles seem to have anything to do with charges related to bribing foreign officials, or doing business with Iran and Libya..

Chuck 9:41:44 PM Edwards is restating: these are the facts
James 9:41:51 PM Well done
James 9:42:03 PM Edwards is unshaken. Very well done.
James 9:42:25 PM Imagine how tough it must be to respond to Cheney's constant attacks. Cool customer, Edwards.
Chuck 9:42:46 PM Yes, he's eloquent and able.
James 9:44:18 PM Edwards drags in Israel AND the Saudis.
James 9:44:44 PM Cheney is attacking Edwards record directly now.
Chuck 9:44:45 PM Cheney isn't going to let Halliburton go, and he's going to sling big mud.
James 9:44:50 PM Right

CHENEY: ...And Senator, frankly, you have a record in the Senate that's not very distinguished. You've missed 33 out of 36 meetings in the Judiciary Committee, almost 70 percent of the meetings of the Intelligence Committee...

James 9:45:05 PM Oh, here we go.
James 9:45:22 PM Cheney accuses Edwards of never being int he senate, pretty much ever.

CHENEY: ...In respect to Israel and Palestine, Gwen, the suicide bombers, in part, were generated by Saddam Hussein, who paid $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers...

Chuck 9:45:30 PM Oh Christ. Saddam "created" the suicide bombers?
Chuck 9:45:40 PM Saddam threw financing at them to try to win allies!!!!

EDWARDS: ...That was a complete distortion of my record. I know that won't come as a shock.

The vice president, I'm surprised to hear him talk about records...

James 9:46:23 PM Good - Edwards will attack back rather than answering the silly attack.
Chuck 9:47:24 PM Domestic issues...
Chuck 9:47:36 PM Questions about Cleveland and the economy
Chuck 9:48:42 PM Cheney --> get people jobs (how?) --> make America friendly to business (tax policy, litigation costs {i.e. caps}, medical care) --> strong education (no child left behind... the great unfunded education act.)
James 9:50:09 PM Edwards highlights Cheney's wandering answer. Cheney doesn't want to talk about jobs. Here's Edwards opening to talk about poverty in Cleveland.
Chuck 9:51:18 PM Edwards --> 1.6 mil jobs lost in Bush admin, 2.7 mil manufacturing jobs lost --> 4 mil people fell thru poverty line --> FIRST administration in the last 70 years to have that happen --> outsourcing Bush for, Kerry against
Chuck 9:51:26 PM Cheney --> We cut taxes, we rule.
James 9:51:31 PM Cheney is amazing with the numbers.
James 9:52:04 PM I have to say that anyone leaning towards Bush/Cheney is going to just watch this mesmerized by Cheney.
James 9:52:52 PM Good rejoinder by Edwards there. He doesn't think the country can take four more years of this kind of experience.
Chuck 9:52:59 PM Yes
James 9:53:31 PM Edwards has got Cheney off his attacks a little bit, or Cheney has lost a little steam.
James 9:53:57 PM Edwards is now talking about middle class tax cuts vs. the high end tax cuts.
Chuck 9:54:26 PM INCOMING!
James 9:54:35 PM Edwards: we're in too deep a hole, but we can cut the deficit. Fiscal responsibility. Corporate loopholes.
James 9:54:49 PM Cheney: Kerry's record is one of taxes, taxes, taxes.
James 9:56:24 PM As Mike and I are discussing, this is just like Meet the Press. Cheney is always on Meet the Press. He's jst doing the same thing.
James 9:56:34 PM Our frogs are makign happy sounds at John Edwards.
Chuck 9:57:02 PM same sex union ban
James 9:58:59 PM This format is much better for Cheney than Town Meeting. He can sit here and say anything he wants, basically.

EDWARDS: ...let me say first that I think the vice president and his wife love their daughter. I think they love her very much. And you can't have anything but respect for the fact that they're willing to talk about the fact that they have a gay daughter, the fact that they embrace her. It's a wonderful thing. And there are millions of parents like that who love their children, who want their children to be happy...

James 9:59:13 PM Oh, Edwards is going to drag in the daughter.
James 9:59:27 PM Cheney's gay daughter. Where is this going?
James 10:00:04 PM Nowhere. He switched off it.
Chuck 10:00:10 PM I think that was kind of a dirty move by Edwards
Chuck 10:00:24 PM He's just drawing attention to the fact that Cheney has a gay daughter.
Chuck 10:00:37 PM Trying to make him look bad to the religious right.

NOTE: Many of the callers who called into CSPAN after the debates mentioned this as a distasteful move by Edwards.

James 10:00:44 PM He slipped it in, but he didn't go anywhere. Cheney may take him to task over it. Edwards shouldn't have brought it up if he didn't have a point.

EDWARDS: ...There is absolutely no purpose in the law and in reality for this amendment. It's nothing but a political tool. And it's being used in an effort to divide this country on an issue that we should not be dividing America on.

We ought to be talking about issues like health care and jobs and what's happening in Iraq, not using an issue to divide this country in a way that's solely for political purposes. It's wrong.


IFILL: Mr. Vice President, you have 90 seconds.

CHENEY: Well, Gwen, let me simply thank the senator for the kind words he said about my family and our daughter. I appreciate that very much.

IFILL: That's it?

CHENEY: That's it.

IFILL: OK, then we'll move on to the next question...

Chuck 10:02:16 PM WOW
James 10:02:25 PM Yeah
James 10:02:29 PM Nothing
Chuck 10:02:34 PM Cheney doesn't challenge Edwards at ALL on the constitutional amendment

CHENEY: ...I was in New Mexico the other day and met with a group of OB/GYN docs. And they were deeply concerned because they were fearful that there'd be another increase in malpractice insurance rates as a result of what they believe are frivolous lawsuits and that that would put them out of business...

Chuck 10:02:59 PM Okay here we go with litigation caps
James 10:03:52 PM Cheney is going to hammer on fear of losing doctors to lawsuits.
Chuck 10:04:04 PM Yes... he's not going to talk about victims
James 10:04:16 PM It will be interesting to see how Edwards answers this.
James 10:04:36 PM He'll probably focus on the victims, and on corporate crime.
Chuck 10:04:49 PM Yes
James 10:05:01 PM Yep, there he goes. Big companies.

EDWARDS: ...John Kerry and I have a plan to do something about it. We want to put more responsibility on the lawyers to require, before a case, malpractice, which the vice president just spoke about, have the case reviewed by independent experts to determine if the case is serious and meritorious before it can be filed; hold the lawyers responsible for that, certify that and hold the lawyer financially responsible if they don't do it; have a three-strikes-and-you're-out rule so that a lawyer who files three of these cases without meeting this requirement loses their right to file these cases

That way we keep the cases out of the system that don't belong in the system. They talk about frivolous cases. We believe cases that don't belong in the system should never be in the system. But we don't believe that we should take away the right of people like Valerie Lakey, who was the young girl who I represented, five years old, severely injured for life, on a defective swimming pool drain cover...

James 10:06:05 PM Edwards takes the anecdote route. 5 year old Valerie.
Chuck 10:06:10 PM Well done
James 10:07:01 PM Edwards concedes the malpractice cost problem
James 10:07:24 PM They have a plan to handle frivolous lawsuits, but it's not a cap.
Chuck 10:07:30 PM I like it
James 10:07:52 PM Mike and Maggie and I agree: Boring debate. TMI.
James 10:08:31 PM It's the battle of the details and unanswered attacks.

CHENEY: ...I was in Minnesota the other day, where I visited an aircraft manufacturing plant. It's a great success story. This is a company that started 20 years ago with nothing. Today they're the second- leading producer of piston-driven aircraft in the country...

Chuck 10:08:51 PM Cheney takes anecdote route now, Edwards waxes lyrical about 5 year old girls injured in pools, and Cheney waxes lyrical the story of a successful company.

CHENEY: ...While you were in private practice in law and as a senator, you had the advantage of a special tax loophole, Subchapter S corporation, which you set up so you could avoid paying $600,000 in Medicare taxes that would have gone into the fund...

EDWARDS: ...Well, first of all, I have paid all the taxes that I owe. When the vice president was CEO of Halliburton, they took advantage of every offshore loophole available. They had multiple offshore companies that were avoiding taxes...

Chuck 10:09:51 PM smack for smack
James 10:10:04 PM Cheney is insinuating Edwards is a tax dodger.
Chuck 10:10:10 PM And vice versa
James 10:10:24 PM Edwards comes back that he paid what the law required, just like other companies.
Chuck 10:11:03 PM Subject switches to AIDS.
James 10:11:08 PM AIDS now. BLack women are 13 times more likely to die.
James 10:11:22 PM Moderator: What is the administration's plan.
James 10:11:37 PM Cheney acknowledges the problem.
Chuck 10:13:43 PM Edwards is touching on Africa... subject of question was American AIDS. Edwards is recapping VP, but saying it isn't enough.
Chuck 10:13:53 PM He's taking it back to healthcare.
James 10:14:02 PM Edwards is trying to appeal to moral issue in his AIDS answer, draggin Darfur in.

Q: ...This goes to you, Senator Edwards, and you have two minutes. Ten men and women have been nominees of their parties since 1976 to be vice president. Out of those ten, you have the least governmental experience of any of them. What qualifies you to be a heartbeat away?

James 10:14:57 PM Edwards is answering a question about his qualifications.
James 10:15:05 PM "We will tell the truth"
Chuck 10:15:10 PM 1. President/Vice President must keep Americans safe 2. P/VP must have good judgement 3. P/VP must be honest.
Chuck 10:15:39 PM Edwards --> Edwards/Kerry have all these qualities.

CHENEY: ...Well, I think the important thing in picking a vice president probably varies from president to president. Different presidents approach it in different ways...

Chuck 10:17:12 PM Cheney says VP qualities depend on the needs of the President.
Chuck 10:17:51 PM Cheney is coming across very earnestly at this time.
James 10:17:56 PM Cheney is insinuating Edwards has an agenda, his political career.
Chuck 10:18:01 PM Yes.
James 10:18:32 PM Good for Edwards. Boosting Kerry.
James 10:18:35 PM Smart.

Q: ...you both just sang the praises of the tops of your ticket. Without mentioning them by name at all, explain to us why you are different from your opponent, starting with you, Mr. Vice President...

James 10:20:05 PM The nominees have been asked to describe their differences.
James 10:20:14 PM Cheney says there are a lot of similarities.
Chuck 10:20:20 PM This would appear to be the get cuddly with the VP's question.
Chuck 10:20:22 PM So far
James 10:20:46 PM They both get their chance. As Mike points out, this is a job interview question.
James 10:21:27 PM Edwards wandered off on this question.
James 10:21:53 PM "We weren't attacked by Saddam Hussein"
James 10:22:17 PM Edwards makes the point, just before mentioning Kerry. Twice. Crap.
James 10:22:33 PM He'll hear about this one.
Chuck 10:22:46 PM JesusI hope he doesnt do it again
James 10:22:57 PM But I don't think devotion to the candidate is going to work against him too much.
Chuck 10:23:27 PM Edwards echoes Kerry's "be strong but be smart" well done, despite flubs

Q: ...Flip-flopping has become a recurring theme in this campaign, you may have noticed.

Senator Kerry changed his mind about whether to vote to authorize the president to go to war. President Bush changed his mind about whether a homeland security department was a good idea or a 9/11 Commission was a good idea.

What's wrong with a little flip-flop every now and then?...

James 10:23:31 PM A direct question about Flip Flopping
James 10:23:59 PM Interesting, it's framed as a question about flip flopping for BOTH candidates.
Chuck 10:24:05 PM good
Chuck 10:24:12 PM they both DO flip/flop
James 10:24:19 PM Not just Kerry. Tide turning on that meme?
James 10:26:33 PM Edwards just answered with a litany of Bush's flips. Cheney gets second answer, he'll be harder on Kerry. Edwards' rebuttal will be the important part of his answer. It would have been easier on Edwards if he's been the second response.
Chuck 10:27:03 PM Cheney's deferring to military commanders instead of Bremer's opinion.
James 10:27:42 PM 1/2 of African Americans are dropping out (Edwards) Wow, really?
James 10:29:16 PM I'll be glad when this is over.
Chuck 10:29:23 PM It's pretty dull
James 10:29:34 PM Cheney is acknowledging Bush's inability to be a uniter.
Chuck 10:29:36 PM They both seem to be doing well. Is there a clear winner?
James 10:29:40 PM No
James 10:29:46 PM Not in my opinion.
James 10:30:16 PM Edwards seemed a little tripped up wit that "Kerry" thing.
Chuck 10:30:41 PM Hardly seems like that matters much, but SNL would capitalize on it in a skit.
James 10:30:55 PM But it was battling stories. Cheney's answer now is typical of the debate. It seems a lot of words and little meat.
James 10:31:38 PM Edwards will attack the "uniter not a divider" -- good, it's not an accident, he says. Now he wants to switch to health care.
James 10:32:04 PM This is probably something he knew he wanted to leave in the viewer's minds.

EDWARDS: ...They had a choice on allowing prescription drugs into this country from Canada, of being with the American people or with the drug companies. They were with the drug companies.

They had a choice on negotiating discounts in the Medicare prescription drug bill of being with the American people or with the drug companies. They were with the drug companies.

They had a choice on the patients' bill of rights, allowing people to make their own health care decisions and not having insurance companies make them, be with the American people, be with the big insurance companies. They're with the insurance companies.

John Kerry and I will always fight for the American people...

Chuck 10:33:46 PM This is a powerful response from Edwards.
James 10:33:53 PM Edwards gets one last chance to hammer it. "They're with the companies. We're with the people"
James 10:34:28 PM Closing statements, Edwards first.
James 10:35:31 PM He's appealing directly to what we see. "You see it, they don't" Again, believe your eyes, not the administration.
James 10:35:38 PM It could be a strong message.
James 10:35:56 PM I'm interested to see the viewer response.
James 10:36:41 PM Cheney's closing. He's honored to be the veep. Launching into a list.

CHENEY: ...We saw on 9/11 that the next president -- next decision a president has to make can affect the lives of all of us.

Now we find ourselves in the midst of a conflict unlike any we've ever known, faced with the possibility that terrorists could smuggle a deadly biological agent or a nuclear weapon into the middle of one of our own cities...

James 10:36:47 PM 9/11
James 10:37:05 PM Threat.
Chuck 10:37:06 PM Fear Factor Again
Chuck 10:37:14 PM Be afraid and vote for Bush.
James 10:37:29 PM Responsibility. Threat. Aggressive use of power.
James 10:38:10 PM It's over.
Chuck 10:38:24 PM Well, what do you think, over all?
Chuck 10:38:39 PM Or do you need to cogitate some?
James 10:38:42 PM Mike just said "Feh"
Chuck 10:38:46 PM LOL!
James 10:39:17 PM I think it was boring, and I wonder what kind of viewer-ship there was. I'm going to look for some response.